<+HenryKwinto[PL]> what will be topic of our conwersation ? ;>

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<+Minimax[eLAM-RO> Rules_Suck: please put [eLAM-RO] thank you !

<@Vegnu[PWL]> HenryKwinto[PL], dunno

<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> 11:00

<@Vegnu[PWL]> current situation in EDEN and so on

<@Vegnu[PWL]> i believe

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<Bechu> how about: Future of eden?

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<@komornik10[PL]> Bechu: cool

<krzytych[PWL]> great idea bechu

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<sir_ozo[PL]> good idea

<Bechu> cause mine

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<@Vegnu[PWL]> this is something we can have a lil talk about

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<+Weisser> yeah

<+Weisser> it's a lightweight topic

<+Weisser> something small for primers

<+Weisser> then we can move onto important subjects

<@Radio[PI]> is possible to turn off these green lines? :)

<@Vegnu[PWL]> k, if any1 wants voice

<@Vitanias[SN> I think we can start a debate on EDEN's

<@Vegnu[PWL]> i'd even say NEEDS

<@Vegnu[PWL]> pls pm me

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* PaulTC (webchat@188.25.18.157) Quit (Ping timeout) <+HenryKwinto[PL]> EEN ? :>

<+HenryKwinto[PL]> little mistake :D

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<@komornik10[PL]> damn

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<@Vegnu[PWL]> whatever

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<@Vitanias[SN> What according to you is a rapid way of our alliance ? :>

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<@Vitanias[SN> What is its future

<@Vitanias[SN> ?

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<+HenryKwinto[PL]> maybe we can talk about situation of Ukraine ?

<@komornik10[PL]> hmm cooperation :)

<+HenryKwinto[PL]> and they relations with our alliance ? ;>

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<@Vitanias[SN> yes... Ukraine good

<@komornik10[PL]> but later :)

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<+edi10011[PL]> are here any Ukrainians?

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<+Moozgy> nah, I don't think so.

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<@Vegnu[PWL]> may i ask for sth?

<+HenryKwinto[PL]> i think that we should conquer Ukraine

<+HenryKwinto[PL]> they arent our allies<@komornik10[PL]> hah

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<+HenryKwinto[PL]> they`ve fought against us in eFrance

<@Vegnu[PWL]> are u seraiour Henry?

<@Vegnu[PWL]> serious*

<+Petters[PL]> they're neutral ;o

<@komornik10[PL]> they are realy pro penix ;x

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<+Cinus> and piss of russians :>?

<+Weisser> Yeah

<+Weisser> Hans is right

<+HenryKwinto[PL]> they arent neutral

<+Weisser> :P

<+HenryKwinto[PL]> they fought agaist EDEN

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<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> any spain, greece, usa?

<@Vitanias[SN> To defeat in the last campaign EDEN is wrong. Are we await the fate of Peace?

<+HenryKwinto[PL]> and i think that we should make something with this

<+Weisser> i spammed on #usa-chat and #eus

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<+Galizur[PL]> If they join Pheonix, then we can start thinking about attacing them i think.

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<+HenryKwinto[PL]> we should gave they clear ultimatum

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<+HenryKwinto[PL]> EDEN or Phoenix

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<+edi10011[PL]> agree

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<@Vegnu[PWL]> i'd like encourage our guests

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<+HenryKwinto[PL]> Ententa - is dead

<@Vegnu[PWL]> plz share ur opinion<@Vegnu[PWL]> on this topic

<@komornik10[PL]> our economy is dead

<@Vegnu[PWL]> coz there're only ppl from PL speaking now

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<@komornik10[PL]> we need war

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<+sir_ozo[PL]> yes

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<@Marchewa[vMoFA]> hi

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<+ZdzisloborSN> Definitely, war is needed

<@Radio[PI]> share ukraine with romania and croatia :P

<+HenryKwinto[PL]> and our allies must understand that we need high iron

<+ZdzisloborSN> but maybe we could go south?

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<+sir_ozo[PL]> our weapon company's is the diffucult situacion

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<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> Croatia needs high iron !

<+HenryKwinto[PL]> ZdzisloborSN where ?

<+krzytych[PWL]> south? where

<+Sircinus[PI]> zdzislobor - where?

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<+HenryKwinto[PL]> everybody needs ;]

<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> logic

<@Marchewa[vMoFA]> everybody need hi

<@Radio[PI]> we need it too :P

<+HenryKwinto[PL]> you can take Karnataka ^^

<+Weisser> nah

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<+Sircinus[PI]> i vote for NOB :>

<+HenryKwinto[PL]> sorry ;P

<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> isnt it USA region?

<+Weisser> high iron itself will not boost your economyt

<+krzytych[PWL]> Nob again? noo

<@komornik10[PL]> EDEN DEBATE CHANNEL - future of EDEN || should we give Ukraine a clear ultimatum? <@Radio[PI]> share USA too :P

<@komornik10[PL]> :P

<+Weisser> it will make the resource cheaper by 1%

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<+Weisser> the only gain you have is that you can tax the companies in the high iron region

<+HenryKwinto[PL]> ups sry, i`ve thinked about Hello Kitty :P

<+edi10011[PL]> ok, plsdon't give stupid ideas :D

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<+Weisser> lower iron prices are a myth

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<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> Henry -.-

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<+WaxDoll[eLAM]> hey ... we have a problem

<+WaxDoll[eLAM]> :D

<+sir_ozo[PL]> Hello Kitty on Lion King

<+HenryKwinto[PL]> we should back to Ukraine :P

<+ZdzisloborSN> Two choices, either we'll go to Asia like Serbia did and attack Serbian's or Hungarian's high iron

<+Weisser> i think there should be more -v happening

<+WaxDoll[eLAM]> can someone give to our PP voice?

<+ZdzisloborSN> or Brazil

<@Marchewa[vMoFA]> iron prices are low everywhere

<@Marchewa[vMoFA]> and getting lower day by day

<+Weisser> WaxDoll[eLAM], ask Vitanias in PM

<+WaxDoll[eLAM]> Minimax :)

<@Kicho[HSP-CRO]> .op WaxDoll[eLAM]

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<+Weisser> Marchewa[vMoFA], i mean that conquest of high iron region will not make gun industry more profittable

<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> Economy is destroyed...updates can only fix it

<+HenryKwinto[PL]> which country are you representing eLAM ?

<@WaxDoll[eLAM]> .v Minimax

<+sir_ozo[PL]> Romania?

<+SolFromPol[PL]> Romania

<@WaxDoll[eLAM]> Romania<@Radio[PI]> Romania

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<+HenryKwinto[PL]> weird ;p

<+PaulTC[eLAM]_> thanks

<+PaulTC[eLAM]_> no...

<+PaulTC[eLAM]_> now*

<+PaulTC[eLAM]_> what's happening here ?

<+HenryKwinto[PL]> [RO] is clearer :P

<+PaulTC[eLAM]_> :))

<@WaxDoll[eLAM]> why so weird HenryKwinto[PL] ?

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<+PaulTC[eLAM]_> i hate this chat

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<+PaulTC[eLAM]_> :(

<+Weisser> OP's PLEASE GIVE -V to spammers

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<+Petters[PL-PI]> eLAM - what about IRSA?

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<@Vegnu[PWL]> yea, try not to spam

<+HenryKwinto[PL]> so what with Ukraine ?

<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> try give good idea no bullshit

<@JudasRipper> :D

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<@Radio[PI]> are ukrainians here?

<@komornik10[PL]> nope

<+Weisser> There may be ukrainians.

<+krzytych[PWL]> i think not

<@Vitanias[SN> no....

<+edi10011[PL]> were they invited? ;)

<+krzytych[PWL]> Eden debate

<+ZdzisloborSN> I vote for ultimatum and later war

<@Radio[PI]> i heard yes

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<@Marchewa[vMoFA]> war? O.o<+Petters[PL-PI]> yea! ^^

<@Radio[PI]> we will go there with "brother help" ;)

<+Weisser> nah

<@Vitanias[SN> do not want to talk because they see no sense:(

<+sir_ozo[PL]> yee peace or war

<@JudasRipper> IRSA is the group which must be seen

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<+Weisser> What is the reason to attack Ukraine?

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<+Weisser> Can anyone give a meaningful reason?

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<+Petters[PL-PI]> high iron? :D

<+krzytych[PWL]> and?

<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> and that should be enough

<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> =)

<+Galizur[PL]> yep

<@komornik10[PL]> dead economy Krzytych :)

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<+ZdzisloborSN> 1. no point attacking anyone else 2. we need war 3. iron

<+Weisser> Let me remind you many allied countries have hig iron

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<@Vitanias[SN> but High iron .... for poland od Ro ??

<+HenryKwinto[PL]> they arent in EDEN and they`ve attacked us in France :P

<+edi10011[PL]> i'm voting for ultimatum

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<+HenryKwinto[PL]> edi10011[PL] we dont have any real power :P

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<+HenryKwinto[PL]> its only debate

<+Weisser> Are we attacking a country just because of it's high resources? A friendly one as well?

<@komornik10[PL]> yep ultimatum is a right choice :)

<@Marchewa[vMoFA]> HenryKwinto[PL]: they were in same ally

<+krzytych[PWL]> +v Cerber

<+Galizur[PL]> Hello Cerber

<@Radio[PI]> one month for pl, one mont for ro :P

<@Vegnu[PWL]> already done

<+krzytych[PWL]> polish president<@Marchewa[vMoFA]> for some ppl resources worth more than friendship

<+sir_ozo[PL]> Entente is dead

<+HenryKwinto[PL]> they werent our friends

<@Marchewa[vMoFA]> so what HenryKwinto[PL]?

<+Weisser> the question is what do we lose and what do we gain by waging war against Ukraine

<+HenryKwinto[PL]> they leaved EDEN

<@Marchewa[vMoFA]> u think so

<+Weisser> we certainly will become official villains of eWorld

<+HenryKwinto[PL]> they fought against us in France

<@Marchewa[vMoFA]> they werent in eden

<@Vegnu[PWL]> they didnt leave EDEN

<@Marchewa[vMoFA]> and they were helping us

<@Marchewa[vMoFA]> many times

<@Cerber> they didn't fight against us

<+MrGrandma[PPL]> Henryk: they also helped *us* in NoB

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<+Weisser> Mentlegen...

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<+Weisser> Please write in one line, enterosis is a DISEASE.

<@Cerber> we didn't have a single battle against france

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<@Marchewa[vMoFA]> for instance, Romania helped as less than Ukraine

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<+ZdzisloborSN> but now Ukraine is getting a bit proPhoenix, isn't it?

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<+Weisser> No

<+sir_ozo[PL]> the Ukrainian is torn for EDEN and Phoenix

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<@Marchewa[vMoFA]> prove it

<@Marchewa[vMoFA]> or invite them and ask

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* JudasRipper is now known as JudasRipper[PI] <+Weisser> ZdzisloborSN, could you prove pro-phoenix alignment of Ukraine?

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<@Vegnu[PWL]> thats certain he couldnt

<@Vegnu[PWL]> u dont need to ask

<+Weisser> i am asking rhetorically

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<@Cerber> i had a nice conv. with ukrainian president two days ago

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<@Vegnu[PWL]> with the former one

<+Bechu> we must consider the lastest events

<@Cerber> no

<@Vegnu[PWL]> i suppose

<@Cerber> actual one

<@Vegnu[PWL]> oh

<+ZdzisloborSN> I'm not sure about this matter, but some stuff like this was in press

<+edi10011[PL]> and?>

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<@Vitanias[SN> Where can search for eden for the Polish Hight Iron in Ukraine?

<@Cerber> and i don't think that war with ukraine is possible in a close future

<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> why not?

<@Vegnu[PWL]> we're not talking about a possibility

<@Vegnu[PWL]> but rather bout morality

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<+Weisser> nah

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<+Weisser> i wouldn't say morality, but honour

<@Cerber> well

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<+Weisser> games are not about morality, but honour is practical

<@Cerber> asturias is close to us as well

<+ZdzisloborSN> so, who can PL attack? <@Cerber> let's go there then.

<@Cerber> :F

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<@Cerber> lol

<@Vegnu[PWL]> yeah, same thinkin

<@Cerber> 7:18pm] <ZdzisloborSN> so, who can PL attack?

<+krzytych[PWL]> maybe Hungary?

<@Cerber> <3

<@Cerber> WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR

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<@JudasRipper[PI]> :D

<+edi10011[PL]> NoB #4!!

<@Marchewa[vMoFA]> do we really need to attack friends?

<@Marchewa[vMoFA]> there are also enemies

<+Weisser> now there is one thing to remind everyone here:

<+Weisser> war will not revive the economy

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<+Weisser> it can only boost it temporarily

<+ZdzisloborSN> but will give some joy

<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> i said once ill say it again...Economy is dead! only new updates can fix it

<+sexi_lola[pl]> joy rox

<@JudasRipper[PI]> its not very clever to speak around like that so don't be expecting anything serious ppl...

<+Galizur[PL]> We have enemis whith we could attack but, Can we win the war with them?

<+ZdzisloborSN> the game might get a bit boring

<@JudasRipper[PI]> about plans ofc

<@Radio[PI]> by ukraine, we will make our way to WSR

<@Vegnu[PWL]> HenryKwinto[PL], pls, take a lot at this: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-poland-the-survey-results1-1238782/1/20

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<+Weisser> I wouldnt go as far as to say we can't do anything in current version, to fix the economy. Certainly it is a problem, but not impossiblity.

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<@Radio[PI]> and then to australia

<+HenryKwinto[PL]> ok

<@Cerber> :D

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<+Weisser> But fighting in a war is like clicking stupid links, like that one: <+edi10011[PL]> I've got an idea for new topic: Future of China in EDEN!! What do you think about it? If they manage BB, future will be ours.

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<@JudasRipper[PI]> mwahahaha :D

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<@Vegnu[PWL]> well, its not that simple

<@Marchewa[vMoFA]> they won't

<@Marchewa[vMoFA]> soon

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<+edi10011[PL]> what if

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<@Radio[PI]> yes china regions in eden ;)

<+Fibro> armagedon will begin

<@JudasRipper[PI]> if they manage BB , servers will self destroy :D

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<@Marchewa[vMoFA]> what if moon will be green?

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<+edi10011[PL]> Marchewa, i don't see any comparison

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<@Cerber> i see :D

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<@Vegnu[PWL]> yea, that's not going to happen

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<@Vitanias[SN> What is the place to eGlobie Polish? as far as we are and how much power the great mass of poor people.??

<+edi10011[PL]> China has the biggest potential, I think we need them

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<@Cerber> Vitanias[SN: sorry?

<+edi10011[PL]> we should invite them to our alliance

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<@Vitanias[SN> nothing ... ;)

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<+edi10011[PL]> Vegnu, Australi is in both SOL and EDEN

<+edi10011[PL]> it's possible

<@Vegnu[PWL]> yea, thats true

<@Radio[PI]> what potential? surely not this bilion who lives in china

<@Radio[PI]> :)

<@komornik10[PL]> :)

<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> and only 10% got internet

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<+edi10011[PL]> Radio, surelu yes, taht bilion i meant

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<+Galizur[PL]> and they have consorship

<@komornik10[PL]> BB in China would be a disaster ;o

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<+edi10011[PL]> Felc, yes, 130 millions is few??

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<+krzytych[PWL]> big disaster

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<@JudasRipper[PI]> they got World of Warcraft schools :O

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<@JudasRipper[PI]> such a powerful gamers :D

<@Radio[PI]> they have censorship, they won't play erep :)

<+Bechu> and only 1% have uncensored internet

<@Marchewa[vMoFA]> do you really think everyone who has internet play erepublik?

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<+Fibro> edi10011[PL]: I'm not sure how much do you know about China IRL but it's not easy for them to "be pluged in"

<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> still man, i dont think there will be much chinese in this game

<+edi10011[PL]> Lol, but they are playing already

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<@JudasRipper[PI]> what do you mean by uncensored internet? ;d

<@komornik10[PL]> the normal one ;>

<+Galizur[PL]> like ours<+Galizur[PL]> like ours

<+edi10011[PL]> Is censor for the chosen ones?

<+Weisser> Hey guys

<+Weisser> could we get this thing back on track?

<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> yes edi

<+Weisser> We should speak about future of EDEN, am i wrong?

<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> :D

<@Marchewa[vMoFA]> erepublik isnt censored

<+edi10011[PL]> ah, ok :D

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<@Marchewa[vMoFA]> at all in China

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<+Fibro> not yet

<+Galizur[PL]> You were in China?

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<@Radio[PI]> we shoul make revolution in RL china, then invite them to erep on our reflinks, and invite to eden ;)

<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> We need China as position of country, not by power of military

<+edi10011[PL]> ok, I won't be talking about China, let's go back to your boring Ukraine :>

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<+Weisser> i don;t intnd on talking about Ukraine

<+Weisser> but you have 100 people reading this channel

<@Vegnu[PWL]> Weisser, China might be a part of EDEN soon

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<+edi10011[PL]> Felc, yes, that is second reason, important as well

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<@Vegnu[PWL]> so we're actually talkin about future

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<+Weisser> of course it can, but their great fireWall is not exactly important for us at the moment

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<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> back to subject!

<@Vegnu[PWL]> yep, it doesnt

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* karminadla (karminadla@ehh218.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) has joined #debateforeden<+edi10011[PL]> so about Ukraine Cerber clearly said, no war in closer future, so end of topic ;/

<@Vegnu[PWL]> were they actually so afraid of invasion

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<@Radio[PI]> impeach cerber :P

<@komornik10[PL]> what about war with russia?

<@Cerber> wtvr

<@Cerber> ;]

<@Radio[PI]> and muchozol, lunarek will give us war :)

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<+Weisser> well

<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> Croatia is only one with active MPP, we should talk about Croatia going in Asia! :)

<+edi10011[PL]> Owner would give you wars too :D:D

<+Weisser> is war the only thing we need abut ukraine?

<@Vegnu[PWL]> what does wtvr stand for? :x

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<+Weisser> I think a high iron country bordering Russia seems to be a nice addition to EDEN

<+edi10011[PL]> whatever?

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<+Bechu> but phoenix wants them as well

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<+HenryKwinto[PL]> maybe admins will gave us high iron in silesia ? :>

<+Fibro> hahaha

<+HenryKwinto[PL]> *will give

<+Fibro> good joke

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<+Galizur[PL]> Hi Titaium XD

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<@Vegnu[PWL]> it'll be titanium

<+Weisser> it sucks that there will be 4 resources in v2

<+Weisser> it will make geopolitics even less interesting

<+Weisser> they should expand that number to 8 in fact

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<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> true

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<@Vegnu[PWL]> yea, it would make the game a bit interesting

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<+HenryKwinto[PL]> and more products

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<@komornik10[PL]> okay gus what about croatia going into asia?

<+HenryKwinto[PL]> like flowers for our womans :]

<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> finaly

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<+HobbitVinci> croatia must going into west europe

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<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> no no

<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> in asia

<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> we got active MPP

<+Fibro> how do you want to move there?

<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> with serbs and hun's

<+HobbitVinci> sure :)

<+edi10011[PL]> Felc, are you strong enough? ;)

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<@Vegnu[PWL]> theyre not

<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> dont think so

<@Vegnu[PWL]> the mpps are

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<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> yes

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<+Bechu> impossible is nothing

<+Fibro> nike?

<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> well better try

<+Bechu> we can try, war will boost economy a bit

<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> then just wait

<+HobbitVinci> how croatia can be in Asia? someone offer swap?

<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> poland

<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> as first plan was

<@Vegnu[PWL]> to get through Austria

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<+karminadla> how poland will swap with croatia?

<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> bad plan

<+karminadla> we are not in asia :D

<@Vegnu[PWL]> that wasnt a bad plan

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<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> give us pass behind austria -.-

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<+wujo444> thx

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<+wujo444> hi ho

<@Vegnu[PWL]> hello

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<@Vegnu[PWL]> well, Felc

<+karminadla> podolia for poland!

<@Vegnu[PWL]> theres another way

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<+edi10011[PL]> it would be nice to have more presidents here, to make all these ideas happend :D

<@Radio[PI]> we may swap through USA ;)

<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> vegnu?

<@Vegnu[PWL]> u gotta get there

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<@Vegnu[PWL]> Felc, dont u guys border with Italy?

<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> nope

<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> but we can

<@Vegnu[PWL]> oh, u did

<+karminadla> poland can go to asia throught ukraine

<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> if we fk slovenia up

<@Vegnu[PWL]> forgot u lost all the slovenias regions

<+wujo444[PI]> karminadla: yeah, sure ;)

<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> well our president said he will get us in asia this month, so we should see

<+Bechu> karminadla but next is russia

<+HobbitVinci> ukraine have now proPhoenix president...

<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> yes we did

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<+Bechu> and it wont be easy with them mpps<+karminadla> but we will delete 2 q5 hostpitals :D

<@Vegnu[PWL]> o, thats something new

<+karminadla> WE WILL KILL RUSSIA!

<+karminadla> :D

<+HenryKwinto[PL]> HobbitVinci Cerber was talking with him

<+wujo444[PI]> kick him, please

<+HenryKwinto[PL]> this debate sucks

<+HobbitVinci> and?

<+HenryKwinto[PL]> really

<+wujo444[PI]> or unvote

<+Weisser> well, let the Ukrainians have their pro Penis president

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<+Weisser> and just wait a month

<+Weisser> and be good for them

<+Weisser> they will reconsider

<+HenryKwinto[PL]> we havent talked about nothing serious ..

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<+wujo444[PI]> Felc[HSP-CRO]: nit him :d

<+Fibro> srsly, all what you say cannot happen

<+Weisser> i think we should start with taking about EDEN problems

<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> not him?

<@Caroline[PPP]> But maybe EDEN should present Ukrainians an attractive perspective?

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<+Weisser> Caroline[PPP], what can we offer to them?

<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> nothing lol

<+Petters[PL-PI]> 1 gold?

<@Marchewa[vMoFA]> peace?

<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> :D

<@Caroline[PPP]> Help?

<@Marchewa[vMoFA]> maybe MPP too

<+HobbitVinci> allians?

<+Bechu> but what kind of help?

<+Ketiov> backup

<+wujo444[PI]> pecae, with Russia on their necks

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<+wujo444[PI]> rather PEACE GC :D

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<@Caroline[PPP]> That's why EDEN should offer something to them

<@Vegnu[PWL]> why whould they want to listen to our offers?

<+Fibro> they did

<+wujo444[PI]> maybe they just want to be in pheonix

<+Weisser> what would we gain if we managed to get Ukraine to join EDEN?

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<+Weisser> why talk about them, let;'s talk about us

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<+karminadla> they are little country

<@Caroline[PPP]> What do you mean?

<+Weisser> do we need them, why, do they need us, why

<@JudasRipper[PI]> but why Weisser?

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<+Weisser> i dont care hwat they're president thinks now

<+karminadla> we need theirs high iron region :D

<+Weisser> worst case, we wil have to wait for a new one

<+Minimax[RO]> <+Weisser> what would we gain if we managed to get Ukraine to join EDEN? <--- Cheap Iron :)

<+Weisser> iron won;t be cheaper

<+Weisser> it's a myth

<+wujo444[PI]> it is too cheap now ;]

<+Fibro> EDEN is shattered and all what you think about is... war...

<+Weisser> also, i mean making Ukraine our ally

<+Weisser> not taking them by force

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<+karminadla> in podolia is many companies

<+karminadla> everyone can buy it with cheap price

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<@Vegnu[PWL]> well, mostly Romanian companies

<+karminadla> true ;d

<+wujo444[PI]> Vegnu[PWL]: very loyal sentence ;]

<+Galizur[PL]> No mather what will hapen to EDEN ePoland needs to be loyal to its closest friend like they are to us.

<@Vegnu[PWL]> its just the fact

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<+wujo444[PI]> that we have to many friends

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<+wujo444[PI]> to many battles to win

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<+Galizur[PL]> so what is that bad

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<+wujo444[PI]> many people means worse communication

<+Smara[RO]> guys? what kind of ultimatum are you talking about?

<+HobbitVinci> this channel name: DEBATEFOREDEN, not IRONFORPOLAND...

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<+wujo444[PI]> HobbitVinci: why not! ;D

<+Weisser> yeah

<+Weisser> so

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<+Petters> are you sure?

<@komornik10[PL]> hmm and what about reconquering Germany and france? :D

<+Weisser> basically

<+Weisser> do you guys understand erepublik economy?

<@komornik10[PL]> just for fun ;p

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<@Vegnu[PWL]> Smara[RO] dont really know

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<+Weisser> cause high iron doesnt mean you will get cheaper iron for your gun companies

<+Weisser> it only means that there are already many iron companies in Podolia

<+Weisser> so the country controlling the region can tax them

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<+Weisser> most companies buy cheapest ore in the world already

<@Vegnu[PWL]> and earn hell of a lot of money

<@Vegnu[PWL]> \o/

<+Smara[RO]> Vegnu[PWL],but someone knows? or are we going to decide upon the meaning of ultimatum after the debate?

<@Vegnu[PWL]> Smara[RO], im not the one responsible for this topic<+wujo444[PI]> what kind of ultimatum?

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<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> FROM NOW ON! who will talk bullshit will donate 1 gold to this link! http://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/profile/1673223

<+wujo444[PI]> o, that one

<+wujo444[PI]> u? :P

<@Vegnu[PWL]> i believe there's some1 who really knows

<+Smara[RO]> then go put it put should answer this questions

<@Vegnu[PWL]> but he left, lol

<+Smara[RO]> -s

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<+Smara[RO]> basing on the meaning of ultimatum we can have this talk

<+Smara[RO]> if we don't know the meaning we're just wasting time here

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<+Weisser> ultimatum seems ok

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<+Weisser> we should say it nice

<+Weisser> not harsh

<@Vegnu[PWL]> we're actually not following the topic

<+Weisser> EDEN r war

<+Weisser> EDEN or war

<@Vegnu[PWL]> as u can see

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<+Smara[RO]> but what does imply Weisser?

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<+Weisser> and gain quite rich country that boarders Russia

<+Smara[RO]> this ultimatum

<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> http://ereptools.net/market/product/ind/3/q/5

<+Smara[RO]> define it

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<+wujo444[PI]> Weisser: very pleasent :)

<+Weisser> or Podolia with it's high taxes

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<+Weisser> Dear Ukrainian friends. We fought together and against each other in the past.

<+Weisser> You tried to stay neutral all the time, but this is impossible in current situation.

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<+Weisser> blah blah blah

<+Weisser> join eden or die

<+Weisser> :>

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<+Smara[RO]> It implies so many different things

<+wujo444[PI]> what the fuck would you do?

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<+Bechu> mostly against

<@komornik10[PL]> good one Weisser ;>

<+wujo444[PI]> :P

<+edi10011[PL]> isn't joining EDEN very attractive proposition itself?

<+karminadla> i dont like ukrainians, they killed mine grand grandfather

<+Weisser> oh well

<+Weisser> my grandfather died of penuomania

<+Weisser> i hate viruses

<@komornik10[PL]> it's a game - remember

<+Weisser> -.-

<+Smara[RO]> so the ultimatum is join EDEN or we ignore you?

<+Bechu> so we vont invite viruses to eden

<+Smara[RO]> we as a group ?

<+Marchewa> lol

<+Weisser> lol

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<+wujo444[PI]> edi10011[PL]: not very much, if you border with Russia

<+Marchewa> thats great idea

<+Weisser> EDEN - virus free

<+Fibro> what a total waste of time<+Marchewa> Brazil - join eden or die!

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<+karminadla> ultimatum: give podolia or u will die

<+Marchewa> Hungary - join eden or die!

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<+Weisser> lol Marchewa :D

<+wujo444[PI]> :D

<+Smara[RO]> Marchewa: :)))

<@Vegnu[PWL]> cool, there'll be no wars at all

<@Vegnu[PWL]> peace love etc

<+Weisser> nah

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<+Weisser> i asked already what dpo we gain and what do we lose with Ukraine in EDEN

<+Weisser> in my opinion we have a net gain here

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<+Bechu> we gain near-located enemy

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<@Vegnu[PWL]> which can be easily attacked by Russia or Hungary

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<+Bechu> How about new topic?

<@Vegnu[PWL]> the thing is

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<+edi10011> to this topic: they are afraid of Russia, if they join EDEN, they will gain protection, won't they?

<@Vegnu[PWL]> that the organiser of this ... let's say debate

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<@Vegnu[PWL]> left a long time ago

<@Vegnu[PWL]> and well, i gotta go as well

<@Vegnu[PWL]> peace.

<+wujo444[PI]> cya

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<+edi10011> any propositions for new topic?

<+wujo444[PI]> Vitalis gone? :P

<+Bechu> South Africa?

<@Darky[EDEN]xd> what bad in russia attacking ukraine? actually it brings more pros than cons :p

<+wujo444[PI]> yeah

<+Weisser> great jb

<+edi10011> Bechu, I agree

<+Weisser> this debate

<+wujo444[PI]> good proposition

<+Weisser> :D

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<+Weisser> hmmm Darky, would you want to share Ukraine with Russia?

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<+Weisser> that would be interesting :D

<+wujo444[PI]> Weisser: as a matter of fact

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<+wujo444[PI]> russia already proposed

<+wujo444[PI]> Poland

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<+wujo444[PI]> sharind Ukraine :d

<@smrtan> Russia proposed it one month ago

<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> Brasil got little babyboom 1257 new users

<+edi10011> for pros: High Oil, some change after traing battles, cons... wasted gold

<+wujo444[PI]> smrtan: :P

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<+Weisser> didnt know, i am a freshman here

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<+Marchewa> oh smrtan, I forgot to change nick to something nice

<+Weisser> so why does stupid Ukraine went for pro-penis president

<+Galizur[PL]> Or just wait as situacion developes

<+Marchewa> like smrtan_afk

<@Darky[EDEN]xd> what for sharing it? just told i see more pros from russia attacking ukraine than from protecting it now by mass mpps

<+Bechu> Felc[HSP-CRO] poland eveery day has 1k new users

<@Darky[EDEN]xd> etc ;p

<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> 1200 new today

<+wujo444[PI]> Weisser: maybe they just want to be in penis

<+Galizur[PL]> maby

<+wujo444[PI]> and we shoud leave them

<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> Eh China might be strong

<+edi10011> Bechu, have u fallen from the moon? 1k users?

<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> 10k ppl now

<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> O.o

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<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> edi poland got 1.2k today new users

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<+edi10011> ok, but how many users are dying??

<+Sircinus[PI]> felc, do you know how many polish people live in Brasil :D?

<+karminadla> Poland all time had baby boom :D

<+Bechu> edi same will be in brazil

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<+wujo444[PI]> tousand and a half :)

<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> Oj Sircinus HSP spammer :P

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<+edi10011> Felc, so we are going back to China issue... why don't we invite them to EDEN?

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<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> dont know

<@Felc[HSP-CRO]> its not up to me

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<+edi10011> i know, but do you see any cons?

<+edi10011> i don't see any!

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<+Bechu> hey, but whats with last events in South Africa?

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<+Bechu> weill we do something with it?

<+edi10011> China should be in EDEN, as well as South Africa

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<+edi10011> Bechu, we can't do nothing

<+Bechu> SA was 3 days ago

<+edi10011> ;/

<+wujo444[PI]> can any1 say

<+wujo444[PI]> what with RSA? :F

<+edi10011> thay are waiting for possibility of impeachment

<+wujo444[PI]> i don't know, what's going on there

<+edi10011> i'm not sure... 2 days?

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<@Darky[EDEN]xd> 4

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<+Bechu> but eden hasn't got enough congressmens to impeach this prez

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<+Kaethax> Greetings.

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<+Kaethax> Sorry for being late.

<+Kaethax> I am just wondering

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<+wujo444[PI]> u didn't lost much

<+Kaethax> what kind of Ultimatum are you/we going to give Ukraine?

<+Kaethax> didn't lsot

<+Kaethax> lost<+wujo444[PI]> Weisser join eden or die

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<+Weisser> lol

<+Galizur[PL]> XD

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<+Weisser> i was just trying to make you guys go back on track

<+Kaethax> So

<+Weisser> and now you are making me look like a douche

<+Kaethax> we are just making nice party here, right?

<+Weisser> :P

<@Caroline[PPP]> Well, is there anyone from Ukraine?

<@Caroline[PPP]> here*

<+Kaethax> I miss only Sylwester Zwierz here.

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<+UkrainianGuy> no

<+Galizur[PL]> no

<+UkrainianGuy> noone from Ukraine here

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<+UkrainianGuy> you can continue

<+Kaethax> Ukraine is high vodka

<+Kaethax> ;D

<+UkrainianGuy> dziewoczka

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<+Kaethax> I think

<+Kaethax> we should conquest ukraine as fast as possible.

<+Galizur[PL]> why?

<+Sircinus[PI]> for fun

<+Kaethax> that's the question, my friend.

<+Kaethax> No, not for fun.

<+Kaethax> For...

<+Kaethax> HIGH IRON BITCHES!

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<+Kaethax> jajajajajaja

<+wujo444[PI]> ang to make angry our last MoFA, Swebuda ;)

<+Kaethax> ;D

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<+Galizur[PL]> but soon there will be no iron and we dont know where the new resources will be placed will they change tahy localization

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<+Kaethax> My friend

<+Kaethax> with your knowledge

<+Kaethax> we can give the eGermany and eFrance all regions

<+Kaethax> -.-

<@JudasRipper[PI]> Kaethax: keep the lvl of your language of...

<+Weisser> nah

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<@JudasRipper[PI]> or*

<+Weisser> Kaethax statistically, you are wrong :>

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<@smrtan> Kaethax stop messing

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<+Weisser> we should conquer a lot of easy regions

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<+Weisser> that the enemy will give up

<+Kaethax> Statistically, you and dog have 3 legs each.

<+Weisser> cause they might be worth a lot more in v2

<+Bechu> we have germany and france

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<+Kaethax> Weisser: that's my plan :D

<+Weisser> we should keep as many german and french regions as possible

<+Bechu> and it brings us enough prroblems

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<+Weisser> Bechu it's called investition

<+Weisser> we keep them till v2

<+Kaethax> +1

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<+Weisser> then we let them have all the worthless

<+Kaethax> JudasRipper[PI]: I'm a firestarter, twisted firestarter

<@JudasRipper[PI]> :D

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<@JudasRipper[PI]> first of all : english

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<+Kaethax> first of all: why?

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<+Kaethax> anybody here is from foreign country?

<+Sircinus[PI]> kaethax - kicho, felc

<+Weisser> first of all because

<@JudasRipper[PI]> cuz it's eden debate

<+Sircinus[PI]> just ops

<+Weisser> lol

<@JudasRipper[PI]> no polish ;d

<+Weisser> it's so eden

<+Weisser> that it overflows and becomes polish instead

<+Weisser> all ro and cro left already

<+Weisser> when they realized that this thing

<+Weisser> ...

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<+Weisser> do i need to finish the sentence?

<+Kaethax> if it's eden, then I am Jaime laycock

<@JudasRipper[PI]> Weisser: i was not the organizator

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* +Kaethax boobies are flat

* +Weisser despises this flatness

<+Galizur[PL]> its normal we organized it so thers more of PL, if they would organize...

<+Weisser> well

<+Weisser> Galizur

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<+Weisser> wanna bet 10 gold i can organize it and have less PL than CRO + RO + US?

<+Bechu> so thats all?

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<+Weisser> good job guys

<+Weisser> there is no denying

<+Weisser> this did not work<+Weisser> bye

<+Weisser> :<

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<+wujo444[PI]> bye

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<@Darky[EDEN]xd> wasnt here from start, but still - any organiser got idea about hosting such debate (not starting it)? :p

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<+Kaethax> JAIME LAYCOCK JEST W CHUJ ŁADNIEJSZA OD VINGAER

<+Kaethax> o/

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<+Sircinus[PI]> :>

<+Galizur[PL]> XD

<+Sircinus[PI]> w koncu ktos sie odwazyl to powiedziec

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<@Darkyy> zostal uciszony xd

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<+Kaethax> :D

<+Kaethax> nie wiem co wy tu robicie w ogole

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<+Galizur[PL]> a ty

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<+Kaethax> fapie

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<+Majowski> no discussion today?

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<+Kaethax> ty sam jesteĹ› jak diskaszyn

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<+Kaethax> dobra, kiście sie tutaj

<+Kaethax> znowu wam nie wszło :D

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<+Kaethax> JAIME >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VINGAER :D

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<@JudasRipper> what's going on

<@JudasRipper> ?

<@JudasRipper> why we'd stopped?

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<+Galizur[PL]> No idea for discution. Propably

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<@JudasRipper> where are the abroad ones?

<@JudasRipper> btw.

<+Galizur[PL]> as you see they left, mostly

<@HenryKwinto[PL]> next time

<@HenryKwinto[PL]> w sumie

<@HenryKwinto[PL]> następnym razem powinniśmy to lepiej zorganizować

<@HenryKwinto[PL]> zebrać przedstawicieli państw

<@JudasRipper> nic nie wyszlo ;d

<@HenryKwinto[PL]> powiedzmy 2 osoby z każdego państaw

<@HenryKwinto[PL]> przemyśleć tematy najpierw

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<@HenryKwinto[PL]> a nie kurwa coś się wymyśli w trakcie

<@HenryKwinto[PL]> ...

<@Darkyy> i przede wszystkim zastanowic sie, o czym tu mozna jawnie rozmawiac

<@HenryKwinto[PL]> na takie gówno to wstyd zapraszać gości z zagranicy

<@Darkyy> jesli chce sie 'przedstawicieli' panstw

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<@Darkyy> bo to troche zalatuje dyplomatycznym samobojem

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<@Darkyy> ;)

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<+Galizur[PL]> dyplomatyczne samobujstwo to ja by rząd to chyba organizował i by nie wyszło

<@JudasRipper> ale to byla "debata" z ochotnikami wylacznie z tego co mi sie wydaje

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<@JudasRipper> zadnych "grubych ryb" nie bylo z zagranicy chyba

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<ookyrrei> test

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<ookyrrei> hi

<deffekt> mozna cos powiedziec?

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<deffekt> uwazam ze powinnismy

<ookyrrei> sorry i'm late :)

<deffekt> oddaje glos komus innemu

<@Darkyy> ookyrrei you didnt miss that much ;

<@Darkyy> ;p

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<ookyrrei> oups!

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<ookyrrei> The Debates has already begun?

<@Darkyy> rather already ended after no serious discussion

<@Darkyy> where u from ookyrrei

<@Darkyy> ah UKR :)

<@JudasRipper> http://www.erepublik.com/en/newspaper/the-empire-strikes-back-224642/1

<@Darkyy> guess maybe guys here wil have some quetions for you :p

<ookyrrei> I am the representative of the Independent Ukraine Party

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<ookyrrei> aa ok :)

<@Darkyy> what your party attitude towards eden?

<@Darkyy> (and phoenix)? <ookyrrei> we want to join the Eden

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<@Darkyy> and other parties?

<@JudasRipper> good question

<ookyrrei> We believe for Ukraine Eden is the best solution of all problems

<ookyrrei> URP and OYH also proEden Partys

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<ookyrrei> Buddhists Party is clearly proPhoenix

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<@JudasRipper> and why don't Ukraine join the Eden?

<ookyrrei> United Ukraine Party is divided

<@Darkyy> it is heard that your current president is proPhoenix, is that true?

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<ookyrrei> The current president is mostly proEntente :)

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<@Darkyy> do you believe Russia will attack you now?

<ookyrrei> Alexis is our former president

<ookyrrei> is hard to say

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<ookyrrei> Our new president is in talks with Russians for an peace treathy

<ookyrrei> and the Poles what they think about the situation in Ukraine?

<@Darkyy> guess somebody except me can chat also ;p

<@Darkyy> im just looking forward for future :)

<ookyrrei> ^xD

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<@Caroline[PPP]> We'd like to see Ukraine in EDEN ;)

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<ookyrrei> yes me too :)

<ookyrrei> but we have a lots of problems with prorussian opposition

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<ookyrrei> we are lost the last presidential election because the candidate OYH was too radical and scared many voters :(

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<@Caroline[PPP]> I see. <+alexis[UA]> Caroline[PPP]: Karo, ŃŤŃ‚Đľ Ń‚Ń‹?

<@Caroline[PPP]> There are always next elections.

<ookyrrei> yes

<@Caroline[PPP]> alexis[UA]: sorry, I cannot speak Russian.

<+alexis[UA]> Caroline[PPP]: sorry, just there's another Karolina

<@Caroline[PPP]> Jesieniecka, yes?

<+alexis[UA]> wanted to know, is it you or now

<+alexis[UA]> yeah)

<ookyrrei> :))

<@Caroline[PPP]> I see. :)

<+alexis[UA]> can someone announce who is who

<@Darkyy> are there many foreigners having UKR citizenship?

<@Darkyy> caro is actually representative of biggest polish party

<ookyrrei> what do you think about this article? http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/ukraina-naszym-sojusznikiem-czy-wrogiem-sytuacja-naszego-s-siada-ze-wschodu-1238793/1/20

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<@Caroline[PPP]> I am a representative of Polska Partia Patriotyczna (Polish Patriotic Party) ;)

<@Darkyy> and im eden mc but do not treat me as official edens 'word' ;p

<@Caroline[PPP]> My ingame nick is Caroline au Marymont. ;)

<@Caroline[PPP]> Wait, I'll check the article.

<ookyrrei> We have about 100 Romanians ... other foreigners are very few

<@MrGrandma[PPL]> I am a representative of Polska Partia Libertarianska (ePoland) - Mr Grandma in game

<ookyrrei> Đľk nice to meet you Caroline

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<ookyrrei> end you too MrGran!!!

<@Caroline[PPP]> Nice to meet you, too.

<@Caroline[PPP]> About the article - it says that the situation in the Ukraine is complicated.

<+alexis[UA]> glad to mee you, my game name is Alexis M. Pasichny, i was UA president two last months

<@Caroline[PPP]> I agree with this Łś

<@Caroline[PPP]> :] *

<ookyrrei> I have the impression that the Poles are poorly informed about the situation in Ukraine, despite the excellent work of your Ambassador

<@MrGrandma[PPL]> nice to meet you both :)

<@Caroline[PPP]> ookyrrei: why do you think so? <@MrGrandma[PPL]> yes, Cerberus is doing very well

<ookyrrei> because of that article

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<@Caroline[PPP]> Hm, so you might enlighten us...

<ookyrrei> it says that the majority of the population of Ukraine supports the Phoenix, but it is absolutely wrong

<@Darkyy> its based on rumor that your current president is proPHX i guess :)

<ookyrrei> as you can see here http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-poland-the-survey-results1-1238782/1/20

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<ookyrrei> .

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<+alexis[UA]> Darkyy: I think, that Alexander's proPHX side is exaggerated, he'll just tend to make peace with everybody, that would be quite boring, stop our movement towards EDEN, but nothing more

<+alexis[UA]> in fact, if Alexander tries to move towards Phx, he'll lose a critical part of his supporters in Congress, that would result to impeachment.

<@Caroline[PPP]> I see.

<ookyrrei> exactly

<+alexis[UA]> So, the most expected is just return to 2+2 scheme, nothing more

<@Caroline[PPP]> And what is your personal view on that?

<@Caroline[PPP]> I mean, what should be done.

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<ookyrrei> In my opinion, we should join Edan as soon as possible, but

<+alexis[UA]> Caroline[PPP]: I think the main reason, why Ukraine didn't enter EDEN during last month was a mess in the EDEN itself

<@Caroline[PPP]> I understand, what are you talking about.

<ookyrrei> we need to sign an agreement with Edan on which we would have the right not to participate in the battles against France and Italy

<@Caroline[PPP]> I'm not in EDEN HQ's, however, so... ;]

<@Caroline[PPP]> I see.

<@Caroline[PPP]> Sorry, I have to have a shower now.

<+alexis[UA]> i think, the main actions should stress on information direction

<@Caroline[PPP]> I'll do it and I'll return to talks :)

<+alexis[UA]> it shouldn't be stupid EDEN propoganda, like Russians are bad - go to EDEN

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<Bechu> ppl still here? :D

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<+alexis[UA]> Bechu: hi, yes

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<Bechu> hello

<ookyrrei> hi

<Bechu> u have some topic to discuss or just chatting?

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<Bechu> btw Gauteng was conquered by Brazil

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<+alexis[UA]> we were coming to the point what should we do now to continue moving towards EDEN

<Bechu> will EDEN do something with SA?

<+alexis[UA]> Caroline[PPP] went away for a while, so I stopped as noone else asked questions

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<Hugolove> bry

<ookyrrei> hmm

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<@Caroline[PPP]> I am here now.

<@Caroline[PPP]> [22:18] <+alexis[UA]> we were coming to the point what should we do now to continue moving towards EDEN

<@Caroline[PPP]> Could you tell us more about that? :)

<Hugolove> kto to alexis?

<+alexis[UA]> Caroline[PPP]: for me personally, it was quite strange, that despite quite obvious fact that Ukraine is interesting for EDEN, noone except Mihail Cazacu (when he was Romanian ambassador to Ukraine) have written about it in Ukraine

<@Caroline[PPP]> Hugolove: byly prezydent Ukrainy :) <@Caroline[PPP]> alexis[UA]: I see.

<Hugolove> ok dzieki Caro :)

<+alexis[UA]> what we have now: proRussian party that is actively promoted by Russians

<+alexis[UA]> Hugolove: dobrogo vechora

<Hugolove> a obecny gdzie ? :p

<@Caroline[PPP]> Well, do you think that now we have a chance to repair this, Alexis?

<+alexis[UA]> yes, I do so, otherwise I wouldn't come here :)

<@Caroline[PPP]> Nice :-)

<@Caroline[PPP]> Thanks for explaining the situation.

<Hugolove> thats fantastic news Alexis o/

<Hugolove> go for it

<@Caroline[PPP]> It gave me a good look at this all...

<+alexis[UA]> during my rule a new party - URP has appeared on political scene, that declared about EDEN as it's main aim

<+alexis[UA]> my native party, that is the biggest party in Congress also stands for moving to associated membership in Entente and joining EDEN

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<@Caroline[PPP]> Mhm.

<@Caroline[PPP]> Nice to hear.

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<@Caroline[PPP]> How many parties, who have something to say, are there in UA?

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<+alexis[UA]> now, we can talk about 4 stable communities

<@Caroline[PPP]> Mhm.

<+alexis[UA]> UU - Entente, IU - EDEN-Entente, Buddhists - Entente-Phoenix, URP - EDEN

<@Caroline[PPP]> Oh, so there is a quite good difference.

<+alexis[UA]> there's also TNP, that was UBP, if they take it back it will be Entente-Phoenix

<Hugolove> alexis, EDEN need moar propaganda in UA

<+alexis[UA]> ah, sorry I forgot one more

<Hugolove> and good propaganda

<+alexis[UA]> OYN - EDEN

<+alexis[UA]> it's somewhere between IU and Buddhists in size

<@Caroline[PPP]> Mhm.

<+alexis[UA]> the trick is, that URP, OYN and IU are in total opposition now

<+alexis[UA]> we don't have enough congress votes to impeach president<@Caroline[PPP]> I see.

<@Caroline[PPP]> So it's getting really interesting.

<@Caroline[PPP]> I smell that a _good_ debate between EDEN and Ukraina should be held.

<@Caroline[PPP]> Also, the propaganda... as you said, it shouldn't be like "Russians are bad, so let's go to EDEN"

<@Caroline[PPP]> I think I'm going to write an article about Ukraine and EDEN, pros and cons.

<@Caroline[PPP]> but, finally, everything depends on EDEN HQ's and your President.

<+alexis[UA]> yes, I think that there a lot of good 'clever' arguments for Ukraine joining EDEN

<+alexis[UA]> these are economic, military, historical sides of cooperation

<@Caroline[PPP]> Yeah.

<ookyrrei> I think we should expect that Ukraine will join Edan only after the next presidential election

<ookyrrei> therefore it is necessary to influence the presidential campaign on April 5

<@Caroline[PPP]> One little question - do you have IRC channel?

<@Caroline[PPP]> I see... So we should make some campaign...

<+alexis[UA]> yeah, our old one is #uarmy at mibbit, but today i've registered a new one #eukraine at rizon - to be closer to all other e-countries

<ookyrrei> no ... only military IRC

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<@Caroline[PPP]> Thanks :)

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